Pits'n'Pots In Conversation With - Stoke-on-Trent South MP Rob Flello

A lot of sense spoken here....I commented earlier that the majority of muslims [me included] agree with banning extremist groups and that the EDL have placed themselves in that group.Lets see some action against the EDL from Parliament.
Lets hope that the voting masses see sense and steer well away from the BNP, were they to get any foothold of power in Parliament in Stoke then there is no way any new business would give our city a second thought.
Reality is that a Tory government will not help our city, the rich will not get richer by helping out the likes of Stoke where massive input is required.

An interesting array of candidates.

My view is more correct though.

The list given plus two current(maybe three Labour members)and one possible former Labour Councillor.All fully funded.

The one former Labour Councillor is Mike Barnes, according to this report. This is who I suspected.

Mike is Mike and the other two or three are the other two or three.

But what do I know? I know nothing.

By far the best man for the job in Stoke on Trent South bar non.

Guest, ignor Mr. Pond, his bark is far worse then his bite, and he can't chase you, cos he has very bad knees, is'nt that right Craig. L:ike he says, he has a right to say what he feels, even thougth its way out of line with how others hear and the wider British public feel.

Sorry Tony I have no time for this guy.

No mention of Stoke , Fenton or Longton… If we must carry on debating the EDL demo where was Mark Fisher? The demo was after all held in HIS CONSITUENCY!

I live in Trentham and had a copy of The Labour Rose pushed through the letterbox the other night. The newspaper tells us that “Rob Flello MP is standing up for Stoke ... FOUR TIMES ... in large print. Then tells us on the back page that the newspaper was printed in Croydon , SURREY on behalf of Stoke South Labour Party. This man needs to get into the real world and start taking a real interest in his own constituency and leave "Hanley" and "Croydon" to look after themselves.

Finally I think he misjudges the local support that Terry Follows actually has …simply because Terry is regularly seen ‘out and about’ working for the folks in the constituency.

Point for the editors …. We know what damage our sitting MPs have done and are doing ..cause they’ve had five years and an annual ‘correspondence allowance’ of £10,000 /yr to write to us and tell us. So when do we get to see the prospective candidates interviewed. OK I accept some may be reluctant …but at least it would be nice to know who has been offered the chance.

Lotto, we will interview any PPC standing in the three Stoke-on-Trent constituencies. We will from Monday also be keeping a record of correspondence between the editors and any PPCs regarding interviews.

I am going to try and create an elections(s) mini site so we can pull all the election information in to one place.

I'm not haveing that old s**t being banded about without no come back Craig, Guest seems as proud to be English as the next person, and has every right to, she was born hear. So in your mind all the fantasic Black and Asian sports persons who have brought great pride to this country arn't realy British, Daley Tompson, Denease Lewis, Linford Christie, Amar Karn, Frank Burno, non are British, what s**t you talk. And lotto.. I'll give Terry his do, he's a good on the council, but what power will he hold within Westmimster to do anything for this ward,non and its the same with Coleman.

Warren, you are fast becoming a hero of mine.
I am English born and bred, white too and proud of the person I have become. A stokie too [does that hurt even more Craig..]
Islam is not about the suppression of women, Craig don't quote about something that you don't understand properly. Islam states that all are equal, what you are quoting are cultural issues not religious.
All religions have faults, and all are about [or should be about] living peacefully with our neighbours.
Don't see any of that with the BNP...[not that you are or ever have been affiliated with them Craig .]
We have lots to be grateful for from our multicultural neighbours...but I'm sure you will disagree

the problem with MOST "racists is they THINK (if what they do can be called thinking) that its about "race" or skin colour, it ISN'T,

Its about an "us and them" mentality, and is a very "basic" human trait, as I have said many times before, IF these people ever got to the situation where THEY got their way and we lived in this all white utopia with sealed borders it would not be long before they would be looking for someone or something else to "blame" or be suspicious of, to feel superior to, its the "nature of the beast" I am afraid,
in my youth I have been beaten up because of the way I dressed, my chosen form of transport, by they very same sort of people who say they are "proud" to be British.

I remember reading about an experiment done in the 60s (I think) where a group of school children of various ages in a school were asked to wear a green armband for a week or two, and to keep a diary of things that happened to them during the fortnight, (they had been told to carry on as normal, but asked NOT to tell anyone why they were wearing the armbands)
by the end of the experiment several of them had been "beaten up" by fellow pupils, they had been shunned by most of the other pupils and had began to gather together for protection in only certain areas of the school and the playground, some of them were quite traumatised by the "experiment"
its would seem that one only has to be slightly different from what is considered "normal" to find ones self the victim of suspicion and mistrust and eventually hatred and violence follows, and it is this "instinct" that drives most "racists"

Craig some questions for you

your Dr, White British or other?
When you get a taxi do you only use one that is driven by a White British driver?
Do you go out for a curry or have one as a take away?
Would you refuse hospital treatment from anyone who is not White British?
What about shopping will you go through a checkout that is being operated by a non White or do you join a longer queue?

Or do you just talk shit because you are a pig ignorant fool? When I was in the army they used to say 'i didn't know they could stack shit that high' about people like you.

I put questions to both Guest and you lefty numpties.
I provided links to a video and an article, and I asked for your commentsa and justifications for both.
So far, not a bloody one of you has had the balls to view and comment.

I am completely willing to answer your questions, but I want mine answered first. How can you people justify your
support of an ideology that treats people in this way?

Anyone would think you're scared to answer..........

Right then, Mr. Pond, I have looked at the links that you posted up and if you think I'm spending my time on a Sunday, or indeed any other day sitting thought that first load of f*****g reactionarey rubbish, you can bloody well think again. As for the second one, thank you, I'll admit it was a good infromitive read, but it only highlights the problems that myself and Guest have been chatting about, and how, with a more librel Muslim view, that is comeing, will fade away. As for your post about being proud to be British, so long as your not Muslim, which is what you said, I'll put it down to the lateness of the hour and the fact you may have been in drink. Also, please be awhere that I have had a stroke, and have no intention giveing myself another one swiping your old tommy-rot for six, but it was nice of you to think about my health all the same.

It's not reactionary rubbish Warren, it's put together by muslims.
Do try not to be such a knob.

Craig... Like anyone else with excessive "belief" in his argument you cherry-pick your evidence to suit and wallow in nostalgia for an age that never existed (yes, I followed your links, I read and ingested and I ascertained that what I was reading was not unbiased information but very well written propaganda). You use the word Islam as though this covers all aspects of the faith, in the same way as saying Christian covers all aspects of that faith and we all know from living through the violence in Northern Ireland, that the belief systems within Christianity are many fold, from Catholic, to Protestant, to Orthodox and so on and so on and so forth. It's no different with the Muslim faith. One of the main reasons that the type of Islam you espouse against has become as popular as it has become is because it is the predominate form practised by the House of Saud. And how did this form of Islam become so prevalent and powerful? Because of the amount of arse liking and toadying the Brits did to the house of Saud after the WW2 so we could sell them arms and rich Brits could make more money, and the House of Saud could become more powerful. As for your attempt at gaining moral high ground; the way the entire Catholic church did an about face and stuck it's fingers in it ears and went la-la-la-la, while Hitler slaughtered millions, then did the same again when priests were fiddling with kids, not to mention the infamous Spanish inquisition (Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!) and I'm not even gonna start with Iraq 1 and 2, we have no moral high ground.

As regards people of different colour being in Britain; I believe during his reign Emperor Hadrian spent a considerable amount of time in this country, building his wall presumably; he was a black emperor and his personal legions were also all black. That's damn near 2000 years for ya

As for the concept of "my country", don't be so ridiculous. This few thousand squares miles of rock off the coast of the European continent, can not and will not belong to anybody. Our species will come and go and this tiny island will remain. Fluke, a crazy miracle, the random collecting together of amino acids placed you here and now. I was born in this city, both of my parents were born in Etruria, 3 of my grandparents were born on Etruria, one was born in Germany, am I English? Do I believe in the values of the society i live in? No i don't. Do I believe that the values of this country are the same now as they were 20 years ago? No, I don't. We live on a society where, whether we like it or not, it is all about "I'm alright jack" and buying things we don't need with money we haven't got. If that's English and according to the latest reports out this week from the National Board of Statistics, those are now this countries values and I don't want to be English.

I look into the sky on a clear night and it reminds me how tiny and insignificant we all are, how tiny and precious this fragile, little blue, green planet is; the shear insane wonder of the existence of all this life. Perhaps the only life for millions and millions of light years around. How at best, rather than referring to myself as English, British or European, I am only human. And then some narrow minded, near sighted, bigot, who has difficulty seeing anything further than the sign at the end of his road, gets all nationalistic and ruins my day...

Only Human.
Justify the things you saw on the video and read about on the article, until you do, I'm not interested in your ramblings.

Patriotism "the last refuge of the scoundrel" a 1000 years ago I suppose I would have had to be "patriotic" towards my tribe rather than my nation,
I have been called a "race traitor" by BNP supporters and the like because I don't share their "vision" of the way forward,
patriotism is an excellent device to get our young men to slaughter other young men at the behest of our "leaders"
I was born on the part of planet earth known as England, I had NO say whatsoever on the matter, but from the moment I open my eyes I am expected to lay down my life "defending" this tiny speck of dirt against other HUMANS who happened NOT to be born on the same bit as me,

the HUMAN RACE is the race I belong to, this idea of nationality is primitive in the extreme and it is my belief that it will lead to the downfall of the human race, if we don't get past this we ARE doomed as a species,
that's why my response to those who would call me a race traitor is that its THEY who are the "traitors" they betray the HUMAN RACE,they hold us back from what we COULD be, the fantastic things that humanity COULD achieve if we were a united race,
yeah yeah, so now I will be called a wooly minded leftie hippy, etc etc,
10 000 years from now IF we survive, its the racists and patriots who will be damned for their part in holding us back for so long, bloody cavemen the lot of em,

:) sounds very douglas adams/terry pratchett.. :)

the answer is base 13,, well maybe

I've asked questions that lie at the core of you peoples political beliefs, and not a bloody one of you has answered them!

What does this mean?
Is it that you know your beliefs are flawed, that this immigrant system is a bad thing for this country?
Have you taken up the support of this system just to be opposed to the majority of people that you know would not support it?
Or could it be that you're afraid to answer the questions posed, because if you do, one of two things will happen that you won't like.

If you agree with me that it is brutal, and therefore indefensible, you would be arguing against your beliefs, making it look like you can't even make up your own minds,
whereas if you come out and still agree with islam, you look like thugs and nutters for backing a regime that goes against everything the British were renowned for.
No-one is going to take you seriously if you back violence and dischord against your native countrymen, quite the opposite in fact.

I'm glad that's sorted. You lefties are two faced, who follow a system even though they know it to be morally wrong and damaging to your country, because your political aims are to inflict as much damage as you can on this country.
Come the revolution, you will pay for your traitorous behaviour, and what a day that will be!

How did this thread become yet another BNP immigration rant?

I won't work.

Gary, its becouse Mr. Ponds being a cock, will not admit that his thinking is all to s***, lost it and is now running amock anywhere he can. Please feel free to join in and give him hell.

All I asked for was your justification of support for islam when it's clear to anyone with more than two functioning braincells( that lets you lot off the bloody hook then)that it is brutal and subversive.
You all witter on about supporting the muslims and letting them bring their barbaric customs to our shores, but you can't defend your position when challenged!
All we get is the same, tired name calling because you know that I'm right.

Prove your position, or shut the hell up about things you plainly don't understand.

Craig, I don't surport Islam, or any other religeon, if you ask me, I take the stance that all are control systems with very little fact behind them, impossed by the rich and powerfull to controle a ever growing mass population. Most of us now understad how to behave, so there is no real need to continue with works of fiction to explan how we sould do this, them that don't are delt with by laws. On saying this, I do not, and never will, stop or ridicule anyone holding a religeon. Craig, we all need to belive in something, and what I belive in is that most humans are good, they don't want to kill, or fight, or display heaterd, they want to live there lives, do there best by there fellow man. The few that don't will get found out, and like I say, delt with by laws.

Well Mr Elsby since no-one will answer Mr Ponds questions, only to chuck insults, it just goes to show who is winning the argument, does it not.
The fact is, is tat if it were not for the lefts insistance on forcing its political ideolagy onto to the people, you would not have the BNP,EDL,UKIP, or any of the other right wing party's now would you.
So its all your fault.

Guest, I have personaly answerd his questions at least twice now, and he's only getting what he dishes out it times.

Warren,
you are the only one who has tried to answer honestly, and I thank you for that, but you are still wrong in what you say.
You have defended the rights of muslims to have their belief system here in this country on several occasions, but it is this belief system that harbours the dangers for this country.

It is not alright for British people to say muslims can have their religion here, because that religion is the antithesis of what our culture leads us to believe.
It is not alright for muslims to bring their theocracy with them to this country because it actively encourages
the isolation of muslims from the native population, and that leads directly to a splintered society. This what we have now, and it is not fair on the indigenous communities to have to put up with the bias and unfairness this situation brings.
It should be one country, one culture, our traditions.
If that doesn't suit, then they shouldn't come here.

It really p*sses me off to see morons like that gurning idiot making light of a situation that has the very real potential to rip this country apart, and all because of his support for a political regime that done everything it can to destroy the ideal of Britishness.
You bellyache about the EDL march, wait till it's millions on the streets, all demanding their country back
from this incessant flood of immigration, we'll see how funny you think it is then.

Craig, I would defend anyones right to a belief system,not just Islam. Even though I don't have on myself, I don't think that is good reason to actack others. I understand that there are a few in this world that would like to impose there belief onto others with violent acts, but most are stopped, or give up before they can do these acts. Before you and I where born everyone feared the Germans, when you and I where growing up, it was the Russians communinists, the Irish to, now since 9/11 its the muslims, its never ending, you could worry about it forever, the main thing is that evel people, of what ever race or belief are being contantly stoped in carrying out there acts, and alerts are in place to protect us.

The problem is Mr Lloyd is that appeasement brings only further demands, and when will you and others say enough is enough?
This country has endured terrorism from the IRA, and Muslim fanatics, what happens when the British start to employ the same tactics against Muslims?
Will they find favour or not?
The lefts dictatorship is comming to an end and there is in my opinion only one outcome.

Partypooper, you talk utter rubbish, and like others of your kind, spead biggitary, headred and fear. You don't give desent honnest people who care for others a chance to prove this before you are branding whole communitys terorests,crimanels and scum. I don't think thats right, and neather, I would surgest,do most others. People who hold your views would have us think that most of the country hold them, thankfully you and your kind are very few and far between. This is why you have to hold meetings in city centers, and drag the hole group and its surporters in from all over the country. I'll tell you something shall I,and you say what you like, most of us don't give a stuff about what the likes of you say or do, comman sence will win though, which is something sadly lacking in your post.

Why all the foul language on this thread?

Its starting to look like David Jack has written most of the comments!

This thread needs to revert back to the proper issue at hand, which is the Stoke South interview.

This is not the real or proper or factual set of circumstances surrounding this election and a lot may have to be said and written to correct the situation that is Stoke on Trent.

"I don't hate Muslims, and I've no objection to you following any bizarre religious texts that you feel you must, but you should not be able to do it in my country.
My country already has a culture, a history, and traditions that have matured over several thousand years,"

Says Craig

What a pathetic, sadistic, hate fuelled comment to make. It seems after over a year of vile rants Craig has exposed his true self.

So there should be no practising Muslims in 'His' Country. Rubbish! So he would deny the freedom of one of his 'Indigenous Britain's' to convert to Islam if they should wish to!

And he has the audacity to accuse me of being a commie but he wants to control the mind of his fellow countrymen and to tell them what they can and can't do.

Catholicism came to these islands from Rome Craig. The true religion of these Islands is paganism.

You twist everything to suit yourself. You are racist and everything that you have posted on this thread proves that beyond ant doubt.

I am happy for Craig to keep posting no matter how distasteful we may find his comments because at least anyone who reads his posts will know the truth about him and his PCF.

Until people unite and accept the responsibility for being citizens of the world, we will never know true peace. If we take out the extremists on both sides we are left with a global population who just want to be left to live their lives with the least amount of shite as they can.

There are extremists and Craig is one of the most extreme people I have come across and for him to attack the extremes of Islam, which we all know is there, denies him any credibility whatsoever.

I would never say that immigration is not an issue, but it is less of an issue than it once was. This government have taken some action perhaps not enough. But it is not the case that it is an open door policy.

Neither would I kick out all Muslims as Craig suggest [just read his posts] Many are 2nd and even 3rd generation.

The Muslim community need to integrate more and make more of an effort to live side by side. If that was achieved I can not see any other issues. Craig talks as if the people of this country all follow one set of beliefs and customs. That is nonsense, Traditions, customs, language all differ by county.

I have watched the far right propaganda links that Craig posted. Yes the content was extreme, but no more of an example of extremism as some who are on the other extreme of the far right, they've done some weird stuff too.

Question: why would you watch the video of the child have her clitoris cut off? That's just weird, i mean if you knew what the video contained, why would you want to watch it?

We have much to gain by living in a multi cultural society. People who hold the views that Craig does are in the tiniest minority thank god. Let the progressives amongst us take society on a stage.

Let people like Craig rot in the dark ages where he and his sort belong.

Gary,

Thanks for this comment because I am disappointed that this thread has been hi jacked by Craig on one of his rants.

Rob Flello is facing some tough opposition this election and as Hazel stated in her comment this time the Conservatives have put up good quality candidates not the paper candidates of old.

It takes ages to record and upload these interviews and it's a shame that the comments are not more on topic.

I have said it before mr Pond and I will say it again, and again.....and .... my politics are to the left of centre and for that I make NO apologies, I also despise EVERYTHING that the BNP and the EDL stand for, thats that out of the way,
now, I will type this very slowly and in upper case, to ensure I make my point,
I AM EQUALLY AS OPPOSED TO ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS, JUST BECAUSE I AM AGAINST ONE BUNCH OF POLITICAL EXTREMISTS DOES NOT AUTOMATICALY MEAN I SUPPORT A BUNCH OF RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS,
there, is that clear enough?
Its not a simple with us or with them situation,
I have very little "fear" of the UK ever becoming an "Islamic state" it just cant happen, as the Molsem population of this country is less than 3% and of that 3% only a minority are "extremists",
the far right are using this issue for no other reason than to whip up racial tensions, because THAT is their real agenda,
I have seen the youtube video of Griffin ( mentioned by Jack Straw on question time) whe he is sharing a platform with David Duke the ex "grand wizard" (yeah) of the KKK, I will try to find a link to it if you wish, I would LOVE to hear what the "we are not racists we are patriots" MOB would say to defend THAT.

Some months ago an article appeared in the Guardian assessing the importance of the 1864 essay by John Ruskin Unto this Last.

When 29 Labour MPs were first elected to Parliament in 1906 the overwhelming majority cited this essay as being essential to formulating their political principles as Socialists.

Unfortunately most New Labour MPs have no principles and as the writer sourly commented if you asked MPs like Flello what political writings most had an impact on them it would probably be a toss up between the Investors Chronicle, the Argos Catalogue and Bridget Jones Diary.

I have little time for Flello as far as I am concerned he represents a political apparatchik who did very well out of the war. And for me his reputation will ever be tarnished in his role in talking out the private members bill that his North Staffs MP colleague Paul Farrelly bought that protected the employment rights of agency workers.

Perhaps someone should give a copy of Unto this last to Flello.

For ultimately, says Ruskin, in a spirit that will be incomprehensible to most MPs today, "There is no wealth but Life. Life, including all its ­powers of love, of joy, of admiration. That ­country is the richest which nourishes the ­greatest number of noble and happy human beings; that man is richest who, having perfected the functions of his own life, to the utmost, has also the widest helpful influence, both personal, and by means of his possessions, over the lives of others."

An inspiring book it lead Gandhi to say that he was determined to change in his opinions in accordance with the principles of the book. It was written by our largely forgotten Victorian Great Unto This Last deserves to be read anew, by all of us, but mostly by expense-sullied politicians in search of a moral compass with practical, humane and honest bearings.

Why do people like Craig Pond go on about preserving culture? Given his stance on the arts it's clear he doesn't have any.

I'll give Mr. Pond his do, he an't going down without a fight. Anyway on to Rob, like I say, best man for the job, comitted to the area, the city and the wide cross-section of people liveing in the city, as he as shown this week with his comments on the EDL and the treatment of the wider muslim community. James Rushton will run in closs, but as for others, Mike Colemen may take a few votes in the Meir, and the others have all got little pockets to work at, like Trentham, don't think there is to much Labour surport to lose there though, but I think Longton, Fenton, most of the outliying area of Meir like Meir Hay and Meir Park, Sandon, Weston, Lightwood, Dresden, Blurton, Normacot are stronge Labour areas, and will stay that way.

I take it Pondo doesn't behave like this when he's around actual people? I mean, does anyone honestly think he'd last five minutes if he behaved like this in the street. And please Pond, none of your b*llsh*t stories about how hard you are and how you took on a gang of Asians down Longton because it's all waffle.

Craig,

"I wanted you to see it because no matter what these British based muslims say, female circumcision plays a massive part in the lives of muslim females in all islamic states,"

Female "circumcision", or, more properly, genital mutilation, is by no means solely confined to any one particular faith or people. I have witnessed its effects in Ethiopia (an Orthodox Christian country) and in other parts of Africa (Christian / Animist societies). You would be far better off condemning this barbarity outright, rather than disingenuously trying to depict it purely as an Islamic practice.

He's off again, lord will he ever lay off it, I mean dear God, I don't know where he gets them from, how isolated is some of the rubbish he digs up. Craig, some people do dreadfull things mate, its not just down to race, good and bad in all mate. Hear we go, the fabeled British coulter again, tell me something Mr. Pond when was the last time you set foot in a Church, stuck a bit of Elgar on the I-pod, had a strol round an art galery, got down to a bit of Morris Danceing. I've done three in the last week, the Elgar,the art and took a walk into Litchfield Cathedrel to see a bit of history, as for the Morris danceing,no, don't think so.

There you go again Craig quoting the extremes. No i would'nt condone the crimes you state. Why are you even bringing them up when they are subject to the same laws as all the other crimes committed in this country?

Oh yeh it's becuase they are committed by non whites.
So evil despicable crimes are only committed by Muslims now are they?

You know what Craig I would have more respect for people like you if at least you would admit you are an out and out racist.

Truth is you are as extreme in your beliefs as the extremists you are always banging on about.

Right mouth, answer me on now. Why do you not have a problem with catholics when that teligion was founded in Rome and brought to these shores by Roman soldiers?

Do you recognise paganism as the true religion of these islands?

Tony, for about the hundreth time, how can I be racist when islam is a bloody religion, not a race?!

You lefties on here all agree that muslims should be allowed to practise their religion.
You all agree that they should be allowed to practise here in Britain.
If you've viewed the video, and read the article, this stance of yours means that you agree with what went on there.
That means that I disagree with you, because I disagree with the behaviour of the muslim community in allowing these things to happen.
Each of you has picked a point to attack, but none of you have answered the points put to you. If you agree muslims can practise their religion in this country, then these are the things you are saying are acceptable.
Forced marriages, female genital mutilation, honour killings, terrorism, a host of sexual perversions, and
an acceptance of domestic violence.

If you support islam, you support these things as they are a major part of islam.
All I want you moronic lefties to do is tell us how you justify your acceptance of this behaviour by accepting the practise of islam in this country.
I can't put it any simpler than that.

Tony, Catholicism is still Christianity.
Christianity has become bastardised to such a point, it no longer resembles what it used to. It's just a bunch of middle aged perverts changing the rules to suit whichever sexual deviancy they favour.
You go on about Roman soldiers, but they are white northern europeans, and that makes them physically and genetically much closer to what I am, than immigrants from farther afield.
The more like you a people are, the easier it is for them to assimilate into your society, the more of them you can take. The less like you a people are, the harder it is for them to assimilate into your society, the less of them you can take.
When you don't abide by this simple rule, what you get is a society that splinters into numerous groups, each gathered about their own customs and beliefs. That is what Britain has become.
We are fractured into countless groups because immigrants have been allowed in that won't integrate, that want to live in our lands but by their rules and customs.
IT DOES NOT WORK!

All it will do is lead to trouble, because the native peoe will reach the point where they are sick and fed up of havng changes forced on them to suit the immigrants.

Craig, I'll tell you where I stand on this one, the practace of Islam in this country will not effect anyone, will not hurt anyone, just like the practace of any other religen. Let me tell you, when I'v explained me stance on the subject to some Christens, I have had some right insults leveled at me. Why do you worry so much about it mate, 99.9% don't mean no halm and only wish to live there life accroding to the teachings of there religen, and if you don't want to be labeled a racist, stop your rantings about immigrants.